Mike and Caroline are joined by Tristen and Liza Anne to discuss the myriad of hurdles facing musicians in our modern age. How do you avoid the trappings of being a workaholic? How do you feel empowered to simply ask for what you need? What is the definition of "Making It" and how can you design the life you want while staying true to your art?

Follow Tristen at @tristentristen on Instagram and pick up her music on Bandcamp.

Follow Liza Anne at @lizaannemusic and her music on her Bandcamp.